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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Szerintem ez SZMSZ függő. De ahol így
      van ahogy írod, ott is megtörténhet, hogy az egyik lakó a
      normálishoz képest csak felet fizet, a másik meg mondjuk 1,25-öt,
      az simán adhat 15e különbséget kettejük között.<br>
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      2014.07.06. 12:46 keltezéssel, Vajk Fekete írta:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">panel hazaknal ilyen tuti nem fordul elo. ugyanis
        hiaba van egyedi meres, az osszkoltseg legalabb felet m2
        aranyosan dobjak szet, csak a maradekot a homennyisegmerok
        alapjan.
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        <div>Vajk</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2014-07-06 10:39 GMT+02:00 Acs Gabor <span
            dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:levlista@e8e.eu" target="_blank">levlista@e8e.eu</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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              <div>Aztán van ennek egy elvi vonzata is, hogy milyen
                dolog az, hogy a szomszédok dobják össze a fűtésedet.<br>
                Panel házaknál elő szokott fordulni, hogy valakinek
                extrém kevés a fűtésszámlája, mert lezár minden
                radiátort, azt mondja elég neki az a 18 fokocska, ez nem
                helyes.<br>
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                <pre cols="72">Gábor</pre>
                <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:2014.07.06.%2010"
                  value="+12014070610" target="_blank">2014.07.06. 10</a>:33
                keltezéssel, Nagy Tamás írta:<br>
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                <div dir="ltr">Az hozzá tartozik a dologhoz, hogy most
                  télen üresen állt a lakás, fűtés nem volt, és 13-14C
                  alá nem ment a hőmérséklet. Amikor nem volt nagyon
                  hideg kint, akkor meg 16C körül volt ha jól emlékszem.
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                  <div>Simán el tudom képzelni, hogy előző lakó alig
                    fűtött, esetleg feltolta azt a 16-ot 19-re, de azt
                    is csak a nap egy részére, és csak egy szobában.
                    Lehet, hogy így jött ki ez a nagyon alacsony
                    fogyasztás.</div>
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                  <div>Tulajdonképpen ha bírja az ember a hideget, ki
                    lehet húzni egy telet fűtés nélkül. 13-16C között
                    nem éppen kényelmes lakni, de belehalni sem kell.
                    Azért nem szeretném kipróbálni, nem lehet jó reggel
                    felkelni az ágyból 13 fokban. :)</div>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">2014-07-06 10:22 GMT+02:00
                    Vajk Fekete <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
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                        href="mailto:vajkhu@gmail.com" target="_blank">vajkhu@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">ez nem semmi!
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                        <div>Viszont akkor eselyes hogy neked sem lesz
                          evi 500m3 felett a fogyasztasod.</div>
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                          Vajk</div>
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                        <div class="gmail_quote">2014-07-06 9:52
                          GMT+02:00 Nagy Tamás <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:nntamass@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank">nntamass@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:
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                                <div dir="ltr">Azt találtam, hogy
                                  2009-ben lett hitelesítve a gázóra,
                                  2013 fűtési időszakában már nem laktak
                                  a lakásban. Szóval 4 évről van szó, és
                                  520 m3-en áll a gázóra. Egyedül lakott
                                  idős nő, simán el tudom képzelni, hogy
                                  egyetlen szobát fűtött, azt is 18
                                  C-ra.
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                                  <div class="gmail_quote">2014-07-06
                                    8:39 GMT+02:00 Vajk Fekete <span
                                      dir="ltr">&lt;<a
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                                        href="mailto:vajkhu@gmail.com"
                                        target="_blank">vajkhu@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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                                      <div dir="ltr">A kondenzacios csak
                                        abban kulonbozik, hogy
                                        felkeszultek arra, hogy le fog
                                        csapodni a viz az egestermekbol.
                                        Egy nemkondis kazannal is tudsz
                                        40 fokos eloremenovel futeni ha
                                        nagyon akarsz, csak csurogni fog
                                        a viz a kazanbol meg a
                                        kemenybol, es elrohad a
                                        kazantest. a nem kondis kazanok
                                        azert nem szoktak lemenni a
                                        teljesitmennyel, mert a kis
                                        langteljesitmeny eselyesebbe
                                        teszi a kondenzaciot. 
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                                        <div>A szivattyu fordulata fix
                                          (lehet hogy allithato harom
                                          fokozatban, de egyszer
                                          beallitod, onnantol fix). Igy
                                          az adott rendszerrel a
                                          terfogataram is fix, de
                                          legalabbis maximalt.
                                          (csokkenhet a termofejek
                                          miatt) Igy a visszatero
                                          homersekletbol, a
                                          terfogatarambol es a
                                          teljesitmenybol adodik az
                                          eloremeno homerseklet. Ha
                                          nagyon leveszed a
                                          teljesitmenyt, kicsi lesz az
                                          eloremeno homerseklet, es
                                          kondenzalodni fog az
                                          egestermek mindenkepp.</div>
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                                        <div>Egy ilyen kicsi hoigenyu
                                          lakasba igazibol kicsi kazan
                                          kellene, csak az a
                                          teljesitmeny meg nem eleg az
                                          atfolyos vizmelegiteshez.
                                          Logikus lenne akkor az
                                          indirekt tarolo, viszont a
                                          kicsi lakasban nem igazan van
                                          neki hely.<br>
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                                        <div>gazfogyasztas: ha laktak a
                                          lakasban, a gazoran megnezed
                                          az evet mikor szereltek fel,
                                          meg az ora allasat, es maris
                                          van egy saccod az eves
                                          gazfogyasztasra.</div>
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                                        <div>Vajk</div>
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                                          Vajk</div>
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                                        <div class="gmail_quote">2014-07-05
                                          22:31 GMT+02:00 Nagy Tamás <span
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                                              href="mailto:nntamass@gmail.com"
                                              target="_blank">nntamass@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:
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                                                  akkor komfort miatt
                                                  érdemes arra
                                                  törekedni, hogy tudjon
                                                  a kazán minél kisebb
                                                  teljesíményen
                                                  üzemelni. 
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                                                  <div>Az miért van,
                                                    hogy
                                                    kondenzációsaknál
                                                    sokkal szélesebb ez
                                                    a min/max tartomány,
                                                    mint átlag
                                                    turbósnál? Ez a
                                                    kondenzációs
                                                    működésből adódik,
                                                    vagy egyszerűen
                                                    abból, hogy ezek
                                                    általában drágábbak,
                                                    és többet tudnak
                                                    ilyen téren is?</div>
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                                                  <div>Találtam egy
                                                    kivételt egyébként.
                                                    Saunier Duval
                                                    Themafast F25 H-mod.
                                                    Ez egy turbós kazán,
                                                    nem kondenzációs,
                                                    ennek ellenére a
                                                    fűtési
                                                    hőteljesítménye 4,1
                                                    - 24,9 kW közötti. </div>
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                                                    21:33 GMT+02:00
                                                    Lantos Gabor <span
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style="font-family:Wingdings;color:#1f497d"><span>&Oslash;<span>  </span></span></span>Mennyire

                                                          számít ez?
                                                          Nagy baj az
                                                          nekem, ha
                                                          állandó ki-be
                                                          kapcsolás van
                                                          (0kW, aztán
                                                          12kW, 0, 12,
                                                          stb.) ?
                                                          Mennyivel
                                                          jobb, ha
                                                          kapcsolgatás
                                                          helyett egy
                                                          állandó 4kW
                                                          teljesítménnyel
                                                          tud fűteni pl?</p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Az

                                                          állandóan
                                                          ki-be
                                                          kapcsolgató
                                                          kazán esetében
                                                          szélsőségesebbek

                                                          a kilengések,
                                                          a folyamatosan
                                                          kisebb
                                                          teljesítménnyel
                                                          fűtés esetén
                                                          sokkal kisebb
                                                          a hőingadozás,
                                                          ezért
                                                          komfortosabb a
                                                          hőérzet.<span></span></span></p>
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                                                          <p><span
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