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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Aztán van ennek egy elvi vonzata is,
      hogy milyen dolog az, hogy a szomszédok dobják össze a fűtésedet.<br>
      Panel házaknál elő szokott fordulni, hogy valakinek extrém kevés a
      fűtésszámlája, mert lezár minden radiátort, azt mondja elég neki
      az a 18 fokocska, ez nem helyes.<br>
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      2014.07.06. 10:33 keltezéssel, Nagy Tamás írta:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Az hozzá tartozik a dologhoz, hogy most télen
        üresen állt a lakás, fűtés nem volt, és 13-14C alá nem ment a
        hőmérséklet. Amikor nem volt nagyon hideg kint, akkor meg 16C
        körül volt ha jól emlékszem.
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        <div>Simán el tudom képzelni, hogy előző lakó alig fűtött,
          esetleg feltolta azt a 16-ot 19-re, de azt is csak a nap egy
          részére, és csak egy szobában. Lehet, hogy így jött ki ez a
          nagyon alacsony fogyasztás.</div>
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        <div>Tulajdonképpen ha bírja az ember a hideget, ki lehet húzni
          egy telet fűtés nélkül. 13-16C között nem éppen kényelmes
          lakni, de belehalni sem kell. Azért nem szeretném kipróbálni,
          nem lehet jó reggel felkelni az ágyból 13 fokban. :)</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2014-07-06 10:22 GMT+02:00 Vajk Fekete
          <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:vajkhu@gmail.com" target="_blank">vajkhu@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">ez nem semmi!
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              <div>Viszont akkor eselyes hogy neked sem lesz evi 500m3
                felett a fogyasztasod.</div>
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                Vajk</div>
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              <div class="gmail_quote">2014-07-06 9:52 GMT+02:00 Nagy
                Tamás <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:nntamass@gmail.com" target="_blank">nntamass@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:
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                      <div dir="ltr">Azt találtam, hogy 2009-ben lett
                        hitelesítve a gázóra, 2013 fűtési időszakában
                        már nem laktak a lakásban. Szóval 4 évről van
                        szó, és 520 m3-en áll a gázóra. Egyedül lakott
                        idős nő, simán el tudom képzelni, hogy egyetlen
                        szobát fűtött, azt is 18 C-ra.
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                        <div class="gmail_quote">2014-07-06 8:39
                          GMT+02:00 Vajk Fekete <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:vajkhu@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank">vajkhu@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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                            <div dir="ltr">A kondenzacios csak abban
                              kulonbozik, hogy felkeszultek arra, hogy
                              le fog csapodni a viz az egestermekbol.
                              Egy nemkondis kazannal is tudsz 40 fokos
                              eloremenovel futeni ha nagyon akarsz, csak
                              csurogni fog a viz a kazanbol meg a
                              kemenybol, es elrohad a kazantest. a nem
                              kondis kazanok azert nem szoktak lemenni a
                              teljesitmennyel, mert a kis
                              langteljesitmeny eselyesebbe teszi a
                              kondenzaciot. 
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                              <div>A szivattyu fordulata fix (lehet hogy
                                allithato harom fokozatban, de egyszer
                                beallitod, onnantol fix). Igy az adott
                                rendszerrel a terfogataram is fix, de
                                legalabbis maximalt. (csokkenhet a
                                termofejek miatt) Igy a visszatero
                                homersekletbol, a terfogatarambol es a
                                teljesitmenybol adodik az eloremeno
                                homerseklet. Ha nagyon leveszed a
                                teljesitmenyt, kicsi lesz az eloremeno
                                homerseklet, es kondenzalodni fog az
                                egestermek mindenkepp.</div>
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                              <div>Egy ilyen kicsi hoigenyu lakasba
                                igazibol kicsi kazan kellene, csak az a
                                teljesitmeny meg nem eleg az atfolyos
                                vizmelegiteshez. Logikus lenne akkor az
                                indirekt tarolo, viszont a kicsi
                                lakasban nem igazan van neki hely.<br>
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                              <div>gazfogyasztas: ha laktak a lakasban,
                                a gazoran megnezed az evet mikor
                                szereltek fel, meg az ora allasat, es
                                maris van egy saccod az eves
                                gazfogyasztasra.</div>
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                              <div>Vajk</div>
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                              <div class="gmail_quote">2014-07-05 22:31
                                GMT+02:00 Nagy Tamás <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:nntamass@gmail.com"
                                    target="_blank">nntamass@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:
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                                        komfort miatt érdemes arra
                                        törekedni, hogy tudjon a kazán
                                        minél kisebb teljesíményen
                                        üzemelni. 
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                                        <div>Az miért van, hogy
                                          kondenzációsaknál sokkal
                                          szélesebb ez a min/max
                                          tartomány, mint átlag
                                          turbósnál? Ez a kondenzációs
                                          működésből adódik, vagy
                                          egyszerűen abból, hogy ezek
                                          általában drágábbak, és többet
                                          tudnak ilyen téren is?</div>
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                                        <div>Találtam egy kivételt
                                          egyébként. Saunier Duval
                                          Themafast F25 H-mod. Ez egy
                                          turbós kazán, nem
                                          kondenzációs, ennek ellenére a
                                          fűtési hőteljesítménye 4,1 -
                                          24,9 kW közötti. </div>
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                                        <div class="gmail_quote">2014-07-05
                                          21:33 GMT+02:00 Lantos Gabor <span
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                                              target="_blank">backup2net@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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style="font-family:Wingdings;color:#1f497d"><span>&Oslash;<span
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                                                          New
                                                          Roman&quot;"> 
                                                          </span></span></span>Mennyire
                                                      számít ez? Nagy
                                                      baj az nekem, ha
                                                      állandó ki-be
                                                      kapcsolás van
                                                      (0kW, aztán 12kW,
                                                      0, 12, stb.) ?
                                                      Mennyivel jobb, ha
                                                      kapcsolgatás
                                                      helyett egy
                                                      állandó 4kW
                                                      teljesítménnyel
                                                      tud fűteni pl?</p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Az
                                                        állandóan ki-be
                                                        kapcsolgató
                                                        kazán esetében
                                                        szélsőségesebbek
                                                        a kilengések, a
                                                        folyamatosan
                                                        kisebb
                                                        teljesítménnyel
                                                        fűtés esetén
                                                        sokkal kisebb a
                                                        hőingadozás,
                                                        ezért
                                                        komfortosabb a
                                                        hőérzet.<span></span></span></p>
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