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    Nálunk is ez van, bár "kicsiben": hetente 2.5 óra fejenként
    (jellemzően péntek délután), pár havonta egy egész napos
    előadás-sorozat. <br>
    Az 1 nap sajnos kicsit sok lenne :)<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2016-01-19 09:08, József Keresztes
      wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CACOtzjgW2PNhMbMcRRxqwf8=4a72cugwNLcJrC2qAZvsqQJkSw@mail.gmail.com"
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            <div>Sziasztok !<br>
              <br>
            </div>
            Csak önképzésről van szó, ez is egy szokásos hobby projekt.
            Kicsit eltérve a témától mesélték hogy a skandináv
            államokban van olyan műszaki terület ahol a munkahelyeken 1
            héten 1 napot kötelező hobby-projekttel tölteni. Nem is
            hülyeség. Csináltál már 1000 webes alkalmazást és azt mondod
            a főnöködnek hogy most 3 egymás utáni pénteken a TCP - UDP
            rejtelmeivel foglalkozol mert az érdekel, kitalálsz hozzájuk
            új protokolt stb.<br>
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          Én benne lennék, de sajnos nálunk ilyen nincs, illetve ha van
          időd a munkahelyen még mindig jobb ilyenekkel foglalkozni mint
          tetrist játszani :)<br>
          <br>
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        Joe<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2016. január 18. 22:04 Gabor Szokoli
          írta, <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:szocske@gmail.com" target="_blank">szocske@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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              <div>Szia!<br>
                <br>
              </div>
              <div>Ha ez eles project, akkor meselj meg a
                kovetelmenyekrol, es segitunk protokollt/konyvtarat
                valasztani.<br>
              </div>
              <div>Ha mar mukodo rendszer, es az ujrakonnektalagatas nem
                okoz teljesitmenyproblemat, ne piszkald:<br>
                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="https://sites.google.com/site/interactiveflowchart/"
                  target="_blank">https://sites.google.com/site/interactiveflowchart/</a><br>
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                <br>
              </div>
              <div>Feltetelezve, hogy onkepzesrol van szo, a HTTP-t
                pedig gondolom ismered, ott pont erre valo a
                Content-Length header, illetve a chunk meret minden
                chunk elejen. Arra keress ra, hogy "Connection:
                keep-alive", meg "Transfer-Encoding: chunked"<br>
                <br>
              </div>
              <div>Lehet specialis karakterrel/karaktersorozattal is
                jelolni az uzenet veget, de akkor az a karakter/sorozat
                az uzenetben nem fordulhat elo, ha megis, akkor
                escape-elni kell, es azt mindenki utal.<br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Hasznalhatsz TCP helyett UDP-t, ha minden uzenet
                kisebb 64K-nal, felcserelodhetnek uzenetek, es nem baj,
                ha neha egy-egy elvesz. (ahanyszorosa az uzenet merete
                az MTU-nak, annal kevesbe "neha"...)<br>
                <br>
              </div>
              <div>Van (Volt? Lesz?) olyan is, hogy SCTP, ami sok minden
                mas mellett azt is tudja, amit te szeretnel, de ugy
                tunik csak DC tapos servereken mukodik (en legalabbis
                mindig csak telco-knal latom.) De erdekes, es talan
                egyszer majd elterjed.<br>
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              <div>Szocske<br>
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              <div class="h5">
                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">2016-01-18 8:07 GMT-05:00
                    Dénes Medzihradszky <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:medzihradszky.denes@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:medzihradszky.denes@gmail.com">medzihradszky.denes@gmail.com</a></a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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                          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Zsombor
                          tökéletesen megfogalmazta a megoldást, de
                          Magyusznak is igaza van :)<br>
                          <br>
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                          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Valóban
                          arról van szó, hogy az összetartozó 
                          bájtsorozat (nevezzük message-nek) átküldése
                          után ezen a szinten nekünk kell valamilyen
                          jelet kitalálni, amit a kliens és a szerver is
                          ismer és ezzel jelezhetjük a szervernek, hogy
                          a teljes üzenet átment. <br>
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                          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Ha
                          belegondolunk, rajtunk kívül senki sem tudja,
                          hogy mit is jelent az átküldött bájtsorozat.<br>
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                        <div class="gmail_default"
                          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Van
                          viszont egy alternatív megoldás, a
                          DatagramPacket, ami nem TCP, hanem UDP alatt
                          működik. Ott egyértelmű, hogy egy átküldött
                          üzenet van csak a csomagban.<br>
                          <br>
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                          style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Csatolom
                          a mintakódokat. <br>
                          <span><font color="#888888"><br>
                            </font></span></div>
                        <span><font color="#888888">
                            <div class="gmail_default"
                              style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Dénes
                              <br>
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                              style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
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                        <div class="gmail_quote"><span>2016-01-18 13:51
                            GMT+01:00 Zsombor <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:gzsombor@gmail.com"
                                target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gzsombor@gmail.com">gzsombor@gmail.com</a></a>&gt;</span>:<br>
                          </span>
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                                  <div>Erre szoktak kitalálni
                                    protokollt, hogy ilyen probléma ne
                                    forduljon elő :)<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                  </div>
                                  Üdv<br>
                                </div>
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                                      <div class="gmail_quote">2016-01-18
                                        13:00 GMT+01:00 József Keresztes
                                        <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="mailto:xesj.hu@gmail.com"
                                            target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:xesj.hu@gmail.com">xesj.hu@gmail.com</a></a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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                                                  <div>Sziasztok !<br>
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                                                  Megkaptam Dénes
                                                  mintakódjait is
                                                  köszönöm, azt is
                                                  átnéztem. <br>
                                                  Közben
                                                  megfogalmazódott egy
                                                  kérdés, amibe most
                                                  bele is futottam, de
                                                  csak azért mert
                                                  szerettem volna
                                                  mélyebb szintre menni,
                                                  és tényleg megérteni
                                                  hogy működik a dolog.
                                                  A probléma a
                                                  következő: <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  A TCP kliens szépen
                                                  elkezdi küldözgetni a
                                                  byte-okat a szervernek
                                                  az OutputStream-en
                                                  keresztül, a végén a
                                                  flush() metódust is
                                                  meghívja, majd a
                                                  bájtsorozat átküldése
                                                  után elkezdené olvasni
                                                  az InputStream-et.<br>
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                                                A probléma az hogy a TCP
                                                server nem tudja hogy
                                                vége a byte-sorozatnak,
                                                mert ugye honnan is
                                                tudná ??? Márpedig ő vár
                                                egy EOF jelre (-1),
                                                vagyis kialakul egy
                                                olyan holtpont hogy
                                                mindkettő a másikra vár.
                                                <br>
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                                              <b>A kliens az utolsó bájt
                                                átküldése után hogy
                                                jelezze azt hogy nincs
                                                több küldendő adat ?</b>
                                              A neten erre azt a választ
                                              találtam hogy a kliens egy
                                              close()-zal zárja le az
                                              outputstream-et, csakhogy
                                              akkor nincs több
                                              kommunikáció, tehát ez nem
                                              jó megoldás.<br>
                                              <br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>Addig persze nekem is
                                              jó volt a mintapéldám amíg
                                              magasabb szintű
                                              DataOutputStream-mel
                                              bohóckodtam, és readUTF(),
                                              writeUTF()-fel
                                              küldözgettem az adatokat,
                                              de most kizárólag natúr
                                              InputStream,
                                              OutputStream-met szeretnék
                                              használni mindenféle
                                              varázslat nélkül.   <br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            Joe <br>
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                                              <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                <div class="gmail_quote">2016.
                                                  január 16. 10:32
                                                  Zsombor írta, <span
                                                    dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gzsombor@gmail.com" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gzsombor@gmail.com">gzsombor@gmail.com</a></a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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                                                    <div dir="ltr">Ha az
                                                      egyik oldal
                                                      lezárja a
                                                      socket-et, akkor
                                                      az a másik oldalon
                                                      is lezárul - a
                                                      távolságtól
                                                      függően pár
                                                      milliszekundum
                                                      múlva. Ettől
                                                      függetlenül, ha
                                                      csak nem zárja le
                                                      a ServerSocket-et
                                                      a szerver,
                                                      ugyanúgy tud újra
                                                      kapcsolódni a
                                                      kliens. <br>
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                                                        <div
                                                          class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">2016-01-15
                                                          13:17
                                                          GMT+01:00
                                                          Dénes
                                                          Medzihradszky
                                                          <span
                                                          dir="ltr">&lt;<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:medzihradszky.denes@gmail.com"
                                                          target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:medzihradszky.denes@gmail.com">medzihradszky.denes@gmail.com</a></a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Üdv a listának!<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Nincs itt
                                                          valami
                                                          félreértés? <br>
                                                          A kliens
                                                          socket nem
                                                          zárható le a
                                                          szerver által,
                                                          a szerver max
                                                          a saját
                                                          socketjét
                                                          zárhatja le -
                                                          amit pl a
                                                          ServerSocket-től
                                                          kap - hiszen a
                                                          kliens
                                                          tipikusan egy
                                                          másik JVM-ben
                                                          fut.<br>
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                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Inkább arról van szó,
                                                          hogy a szerver
                                                          oldali socket
                                                          lezárásával a
                                                          kliens már nem
                                                          tud ismételten
                                                          kapcsolódni.<br>
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                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Oktatóprogramjaimban itt
                                                          végtelen
                                                          ciklusok
                                                          pörögnek,
                                                          és/vagy a
                                                          ServerSocket
                                                          kapcsolódáskor
                                                          - accept() -
                                                          külön szálat
                                                          indít a
                                                          létrejött
                                                          socket
                                                          objektummal.<span><font
color="#888888"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </font></span></div>
                                                          <span><font
                                                          color="#888888">
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Dénes<br>
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                                                          </font></span>
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                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">2016-01-15
                                                          12:48
                                                          GMT+01:00
                                                          József
                                                          Keresztes <span
                                                          dir="ltr">&lt;<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:xesj.hu@gmail.com" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:xesj.hu@gmail.com">xesj.hu@gmail.com</a></a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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                                                          style="margin:0
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                                                          <div>Azt
                                                          hiszem közben
                                                          megoldódott. A
                                                          szerver
                                                          oldalon
                                                          lehetett a
                                                          hiba, ugyanis:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Socket socket
                                                          =
                                                          serverSocket.accept();<br>
                                                          ...<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          // input
                                                          olvasás,
                                                          output írás <br>
                                                          <div>...<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>socket.close();<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>és ez
                                                          utóbbi miatt a
                                                          kliens
                                                          socketet a
                                                          szerver zárta
                                                          le, így a
                                                          kliens már nem
                                                          tudott több
                                                          kommunikációt
                                                          kezdeményezni.<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Valszeg a
                                                          kliens és
                                                          szerver kzötti
                                                          kommunikációt
                                                          kell
                                                          egyeztetni
                                                          (egy protokolt
                                                          kitalálni)
                                                          mikor és ki
                                                          zárja le a
                                                          kapcsolatot.<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Köszönöm
                                                          a netty
                                                          ötletet, de
                                                          engem most
                                                          pont a low
                                                          level szint
                                                          érdekel.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Joe<br>
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                                                          <div><br>
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                                                          class="gmail_quote">2016.
                                                          január 15.
                                                          12:34 László
                                                          Magyar írta, <span
                                                          dir="ltr">&lt;<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:magyarl05@gmail.com" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:magyarl05@gmail.com">magyarl05@gmail.com</a></a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">Üdv,
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Ajánlanám
                                                          TCP és egyéb
                                                          I/O
                                                          kommunikációra
                                                          a <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://netty.io/" target="_blank">netty</a> projektet, ami a "low
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                                                          dolgokat
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                                                          <div>2016.
                                                          január 15.
                                                          12:27 József
                                                          Keresztes
                                                          írta, <span
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                                                          <div>Sziasztok
                                                          !<br>
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                                                          A neten
                                                          keresgéltem,
                                                          de nem
                                                          találtam a
                                                          problémára
                                                          megoldást.<br>
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                                                          A lényeg hogy
                                                          TCP-s
                                                          kommunikációt
                                                          szeretnék egy
                                                          szerverrel.<br>
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                                                          A kliensben
                                                          létrehozok egy
                                                          Socket
                                                          objektumot, és
                                                          ezzel a
                                                          socket-tel
                                                          akarok<br>
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                                                          több
                                                          kérést(választ)
                                                          csinálni.
                                                          Tehát csak
                                                          egyszer akarom
                                                          a Socket-et
                                                          létrehozni,<br>
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                                                          majd ezen a
                                                          csatornán
                                                          írnék az
                                                          outputstream-be,
                                                          és olvasnám az
inputstream-et,<br>
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                                                          majd ismét
                                                          írnék az
                                                          outputstream-be,
                                                          és olvasnám az
inputstream-et...stb.<br>
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                                                          A neten csak
                                                          olyan példát
                                                          láttam hogy a
                                                          kliens egy
                                                          kérés-válasz
                                                          után lezártja
                                                          a socket-et.<br>
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                                                          Ha akar
                                                          valamit újra
                                                          létrehozza.
                                                          Nekem ez
                                                          kicsit furcsa,
                                                          igaz méréseim
                                                          szerint a
                                                          gépemen egy
                                                          socket 10-20
                                                          ms alatt
                                                          létrejön, de
                                                          miért kellene
                                                          minden egyes
                                                          kérésnél újra
                                                          létrehozni ?<br>
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                                                          Java-tól
                                                          függetlenül:
                                                          én eddig úgy
                                                          gondoltam ha
                                                          pl. egy
                                                          adatbázishoz
                                                          be vagyok
                                                          jelentkezve
                                                          egy klienssel,
                                                          és percenként
                                                          küldöm el az
                                                          SQL-parancsaimat,
                                                          akkor nem
                                                          kezdi el
                                                          mindig
                                                          felépíteni
                                                          nulláról a
                                                          kapcsolatot az
                                                          adatbázissal.<br>
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                                                          Joe<br>
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